Fired chief vaccine officer’s husband ran against erstwhile Lee ally Casada

House Speaker Glen Casada (R-Franklin) checks his phone in the House chamber in Nashville on March 4, 2019. (Erik Schelzig, Tennessee Journal)

The state on Monday fired Tennessee’s top vaccination officer, The Tennessean’s Brett Kelman reports. Michelle Fiscus, the medical director for vaccine-preventable diseases and immunization programs at the Health Department, said her termination letter gave no reason for her dismissal.

Fiscus told the paper she had become a scapegoat for conservative lawmakers’ anger over the department’s efforts to vaccinate teeenagers against COVID-19.

“It was my job to provide evidence-based education and vaccine access so that Tennesseans could protect themselves against COVID-19,” Fiscus told the paper in a statement. “I have now been terminated for doing exactly that.”

There’s a political subcurrent to the firing. Fiscus’ husband, Brad, ran as an independent candidate against state Rep. Glen Casada (R-Franklin) in last year’s election, finishing third. Many of the lawmakers most upset about the state’s vaccinate efforts were strong supporters of Casada’s truncated House speakership, which collapsed in 2019 amid a racist and sexist text messaging scandal and complaints about a heavy-handed leadership style.

Casada, who played a key role in pushing through Gov. Bill Lee’s signature school voucher law in 2019, was one of three sitting lawmakers to have their homes and offices searched by federal agents in January. No charges have been filed in the probe.

Michelle Fiscus’ full statement follows:

Today I became the 25th of 64 state and territorial immunization program directors to leave their position during this pandemic. That’s nearly 40% of us. And along with our resignations or retirements or, as in my case, push from office, goes the institutional knowledge and leadership of our respective COVID-19 vaccine responses. I will not sit quietly by while our public health infrastructure is eroded in the midst of a pandemic.

We are a group of dedicated public health professionals who have worked endless hours to make COVID-19 vaccines, the ONE tool we have to effectively end the scourge of the COVID-19 pandemic, available to every person in our jurisdictions. Along the way we have been disparaged, demeaned, accused, and sometimes vilified by a public who chooses not to believe in science, and elected and appointed officials who have put their own self-interest above the people they were chosen to represent and protect.

On May 6, 2021, in advance of the approval of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine for 12-15 year olds and in response to multiple questions I had received regarding the rules around vaccinating minors, I reached out to Tennessee Department of Health’s general counsel to request a statement regarding Tennessee’s Mature Minor Doctrine that resulted from a Tennessee Supreme Court Ruling in Cardwell v Bechtol in 1987.

In response, I received a document attached to an email stating, “Sure—Attached is the new summary of the doctrine that has just recently been posted to the website and is blessed by the Governor’s office on the subject. This is forward facing so feel free to distribute to anyone.”

On May 10, 2021, I copied and pasted the language provided to me into a memo that was distributed only to providers who were administering COVID-19 vaccines. A recipient of that memo was upset that, according to Tennessee Supreme Court case law, minors ages 14-17 years are able to receive medical care in Tennessee without parental consent and posted the memo to social media. Within days, legislators were contacting TDH asking questions about the memo with some interpreting it as an attempt to undermine parental authority.

Let me be clear: this was an informational memo containing language approved by the TDH Office of General Counsel which was sent to medical providers by the medical director of the state’s immunization program regarding the guardrails set 34 years ago by the Tennessee Supreme Court around providing care to minors.

What has occurred in the time between the release of this memo and today, when I was terminated from my position as medical director of the vaccine-preventable diseases and immunization program at the Tennessee Department of Health, can only be described as bizarre.

On May 19th, TDH was asked to appear before the Government Operations Committee due to the concern that the memo was “a bit of a prodding or encouraging to vaccinate children without parental consent.” This was followed by a series of requests from members of the Committee for data around the impact of COVID-19 on children and a request to appear before the Committee again on June 16.

It was at that June 16th meeting that the Department was accused of “targeting” youth through Facebook messaging and its actions were described as “reprehensible” by one Committee member. That member went on to call for the “dissolving and reconstitution” of the Department of Health in the midst of a pandemic where one out of every 542 Tennesseans has died from COVID-19 on their watch and less than 38% of Tennesseans have been vaccinated.

This digital flyer, once part of the Tennessee Department of Health’s vaccination awareness campaign, has vanished from the agency’s website after some conservative lawmakers accused the agency of peer pressuring minors.

It is the mission of the Tennessee Department of Health to “protect, promote and improve the health and prosperity of the people of Tennessee” and protecting them against the deadliest infectious disease event in more than 100 years IS our job. It’s the most important job we’ve had in recent history. Specifically, it was MY job to provide evidence-based education and vaccine access so that Tennesseans could protect themselves against COVID-19. I have now been terminated for doing exactly that.

Each of us should be waking up every morning with one question on our minds: “What can I do to protect the people of Tennessee against COVID-19?” Instead, our leaders are putting barriers in place to ensure the people of Tennessee remain at-risk, even with the delta variant bearing down upon us.

What’s more is that the leadership of the Tennessee Department of Health has reacted to the sabre rattling from the Government Operations Committee by halting ALL vaccination outreach for children. Not just COVID-19 vaccine outreach for teens, but ALL communications around vaccines of any kind. No back-to-school messaging to the more than 30,000 parents who did not get their children measles vaccines last year due to the pandemic. No messaging around human papilloma virus vaccine to the residents of the state with one of the highest HPV cancer rates in the country. No observation of National Immunization Awareness Month in August. No reminders to the parents of teens who are late in receiving their second COVID-19 vaccine. THIS is a failure of public health to protect the people of Tennessee and THAT is what is “reprehensible”. When the people elected and appointed to lead this state put their political gains ahead of the public good, they have betrayed the people who have trusted them with their lives.

I was told that I should have been more “politically aware” and that I “poked the bear” when I sent a memo to medical providers clarifying a 34 year old Tennessee Supreme Court ruling. I am not a political operative, I am a physician who was, until today, charged with protecting the people of Tennessee, including its children, against preventable diseases like COVID-19.

I have been terminated for doing my job because some of our politicians have bought into the anti-vaccine misinformation campaign rather than taking the time to speak with the medical experts. They believe what they choose to believe rather than what is factual and evidence-based. And it is the people of Tennessee who will suffer the consequences of the actions of the very people they put into power.

The public health professionals at the Tennessee Department of Health have worked themselves to exhaustion to protect Tennesseans from this virus. They are heroes. They have prevented suffering and saved countless lives. They are to be honored and commended, not cursed and vilified. And the “leaders” of this state who have put their heads in the sand and denied the existence of COVID-19 or who thought they knew better than the scientists who have spent their lives working to prevent disease… who have ignored the dead and dying surrounding them — even when their own colleagues have fought for their lives — they are what is “reprehensible.”

I am ashamed of them. I am afraid for my state. I am angry for the amazing people of the Tennessee Department of Health who have been mistreated by an uneducated public and leaders who have only their own interests in mind. And I am deeply saddened for the people of Tennessee, who will continue to become sick and die from this vaccine-preventable disease because they choose to listen to the nonsense spread by ignorant people.

At this point, you are going to get vaccinated or you are going to get sick. Yes, not getting the vaccine is a personal choice. It’s true that you are likely to survive COVID-19. It’s the 1 out of every 542 people surrounding you that will suffer the consequences of an unfortunate decision to remain vulnerable to this horrible disease.

May God bless the people of Tennessee.

102 Responses to Fired chief vaccine officer’s husband ran against erstwhile Lee ally Casada

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    Cryan says:

    If Bill Lee is reelected, Casada will still be pulling the puppet strings from his CoreCivic prison cell. Wake up, Republicans!

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      Taxpayer #314 says:

      This just highlights the Pettiness of the Tennessee State Republican Party which is in shambles and under investigation by the FBI. We are seeking new management! Vote Lee out!

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        Cryan says:

        Randy McNally and Cameron Sexton have turned out to be worthless. Are they going to roll over for Lee/Casada at every turn?

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        Stuart I. Anderson says:

        Again, you never know when a visitor to this state, a new resident or someone new to politics will stumble onto this blog and read Taxpayer’s reporting about his wanderings in his fantasyland and take it as having some connection with reality. When Taxpayer is talking about “. . .the Tennessee State Republiocan Party . . .is in shambles. . . .” he is talking about a party that holds every statewide elective office, seven out of nine Tennessee U.S. House seats, and SUPER MAJORITIES in both houses of the General Assembly. What’s more, no one with a firmer grasp of reality than Taxpayer believes any of that will change anytime soon. Taxpayer is to be read, but not to be taken seriously.

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          Taxpayer #314 says:

          It does not matter how many seats you hold at the moment, I am looking at where you are going and your party’s direction is headed straight down because not one of your party know how to tell the truth. My fantasy Land is being able to walk in Tennessee without the cheats and conservatives that do hold the majority at the time but we shall see, Stuart how long that can last with the truth outing republicans and conservatives every day. I hope you have a lot of excess funding that you can throw around to these misfits and loosers.

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    Ann Aneas says:

    It is an embarrassment that our elected state leaders act in such rash and illogical ways in the name of personal rights. Health should be evidence-based; vaccines reduce disease burden and in fact have eliminated it..(small pox); wish we could fire our legislators as easily!

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      Stuart I. Anderson says:

      Do you harrumph about “rash and illogical” when leftist politicians initiate firings because of policy differences or is that note of disapproval only reserved for politicians on the right?

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    Jan Randles says:

    Fired due to her stance on evidenced-based education and vaccines to prevent a generation with possible long term health problems or death? Sounds like this backwards thinking state legislature and Governor to me. If the people of this state do not vote Lee and his cohorts out, then they deserve to be at the bottom of every list along with Mississippi. I hope this action gets the attention of national news media for what it is-corruption in the midst of a global pandemic.

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      Stuart I. Anderson says:

      At the bottom of every list? Au contraire Jan, thanks to Tennesseans electing conservatives and tepid conservatives to a super-majority extent we are on the top of every list regarding low taxes, strong government finances, and a great place to live. Relax Jan, “Lee and his cohorts” will be around for many years to come and you should count your blessings if you live in this great state.

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        Cryan says:

        Have you ever wondered why Stuart is the only “conservative” on this blog who counts it a “blessing” if Bill Lee is reelected? Maybe because he really isn’t a Republican.

        January 16, 2021 Stuart I. Anderson says:

        “Trump was WRONG, the Republicans who voted for him were WRONG and I did what I could to prevent it. I expected nothing and received a little more than I expected. Case closed.

        Trump is a jerk. He was a jerk as President. He was a jerk as a candidate the second time and therefore lost. He is going out like a jerk. CASE CLOSED!”

        Source: https://onthehill.tnjournal.net/former-commissioner-reports-rep-weaver-to-dc-police/

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        Taxpayer #314 says:

        Conservatives and Republicans have had total control in the state of Florida for the last decade or more. Today, Florida ranks on the bottom (along with Mississippi) for Tax fairness, benefits to the unemployed and also near the bottom for access to Healthcare. BUT Florida ranks #1 in toll roads and #2 in mass shootings. How is that for your comparisons Stuart. Wonder what that does for their magic scores when you don’t get to hand-pick the comparison categories.

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        M. Burkett says:

        We all should be represented and have a voice if TN truly wants to be a great state for all residents. Apparently, we want to be at the top of the list for Covid cases and Covid deaths.

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          Stuart I. Anderson says:

          Exactly right M. Burkett so when the voters of Tennessee vote to be governed by conservatives to a Super Majority extent they are acting to proclaim that they don’t want to be governed by control freaks who look for any opportunity to frighten the public into submission to government edicts based on the flimsiest of pretexts. That’s what they want and that’s what they got along with a thriving state economy when leftist states are facing the need for yet more tax increases due to their faltering economies. Isn’t democracy great?

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    James White says:

    How many have DIED from the Vax?
    Where are the Lib’s My body My choice?
    #LeeTheTyrant needs to STOP vax’n the kids.

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      Cryan says:

      I wonder what David Byrd thinks about Covid vaccines. We may never know if his body rejects that new liver.

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      MARLE says:

      Americans should have the choice to refuse vax. They should have the choice to shoot up heroin every day of their lives or drink a gallon of bourbon. What they unfortunately are allowed to do in America is pass the cost onto me.

      When the cost shift from them to me stops then their total freedom should be applauded.

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        James White says:

        “U.S. economic and social life was hammered and the Constitution shredded for a tiny blip in the age-adjusted all-cause mortality rate, from 7/1,000 to 8/1,000 in 2020. The latter was no higher than taken as standard as recently as 2004-2006, and is half as high as in 1957”
        https://www.ddponline.org/2021/07/13/the-virus-of-mass-destruction/#more-842

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          MARLE says:

          Why don’t you quote the COSTS of hospitalizations in 2020. Of course mortality has decreased b/c modern medicine is keeping people hanging on forever, way beyond their expiration date.

          The cost of death is relatively fixed and LOW. The cost of hospitalization is what is being passed onto insurance premiums and / or Taxpayers (as in the age of Covid).

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            James White says:

            The costs of hospitalization was HIGH because the Feds paid thousands more if they designated it as Covid. Who’s paying for the Vax ?

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            Cryan says:

            *crickets*

            I wonder how many anti-vaxers concerned about their bodies eat fastfood, drink, and rip clouds off their JUUL. I wonder how many exercise at least 30 minutes a day.

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            MARLE says:

            Regardless of HOW it got high, why not tell us what those comparisons are? Do you think we’re going to let all the non-vaxxers (99% of current hospitalizations from covid are among Non vaxxers) pay their own hospital bills. No, taxpayers who pay the Fed INcome Tax will pay. And if you are one of those who pays 100’s of Thousands just in Fed Income Tax then you will find this a crazy waste of money when a vaccine would prevent these costs to taxpayers. Or maybe you don’t pay so much so you don’t mind so much. Do you pay more than 100K in Federal INCOME tax per year????? Do you?

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            Cryan says:

            You know the answer to that, MARLE. He’s probably on SSI disability for a “bad back” while shouting at the TV, “Nobody wants to work anymore!”

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            James White says:

            If it were only 99% Non-Vaxers in the hospitals then why are they wanting a Booster? How many got the jab and then the Covid?

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            Cryan says:

            Because they want to continue to live their normal lives in the fall while you all are dying on ventilators.

            Survival of the Fittest

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            ted risner says:

            Hospitals, especially rural ones, saw Covid as a BOOM to their bottom line. Higher CEO payouts and facelifts and paid off past IRS deficiencies.

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            MARLE says:

            A booster is something given when the initial vaccine’s effectiveness in producing antibodies wanes. In all likelihood No One needs a booster now. All this discussion is to prepare for another fall/winter flu season and to determine if the vulnerable who received their vaccine in Dec 2020 will need a booster to protect them through the spring of 2022.

            I am 72 and have never gotten an annual flu shot in my life. I cannot remember the last time I actually Got the flu or even a cold. But it has been well over a decades.

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        Stuart I. Anderson says:

        The reality that anything the government subsidizes it can control is exactly what makes the welfare state as a precursor to “social democracy” and “democratic socialism” so dangerous to the freedoms and liberty of individuals in this country. It’s long past time we reign in the welfare state by nominating and then electing conservative Republicans.

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          Cryan says:

          There’s a nomination for Tennessee Governor in a year. That should be plenty of time to find a suitable conservative alternative to the mess you now find yourself in.

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          MARLE says:

          Did we reign in the welfare state in the last 20 years you have been moving things Rightward?

          I don’t think so.

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          Stuart I. Anderson says:

          True enough which only shows the need for the SIAECPCF and others to continue their efforts to move the Republican Party RIGHTWARD, RIGHTWARD, RESOLUTELY RIGHTWARD.

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            Taxpayer #314 says:

            Keep doling out those big donations to the same old crooks, liars and cheaters. They never get anything done because they are always trying to scam somebody or cheat them somehow to take advantage of their public positions. (R) politicians at the federal and state levels are being arrested just about every week and the party just ignores the lies. It is the constant lying that will bring the party down and it won’t take long.

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    Not that Stuart Gu says:

    The above comment perfectly illustrate false equivalency. There is no similarity between MB, MC and vaccine enthusiasm. Failing to get vaccinated not only harms yourself, it also harms society as a whole by making it more likely others will get infected and some of those will die. MB, MC doesn’t.
    There is abundant proof the Covid vaccines work and are safe for 99% of us, which makes them more safe and effective than any other vaccine I’ve had injected into me in my 50+ years.
    As for this shameful firing, just more evidence that conservative Republicans don’t like evidence when it flies in the face of their reality. And the Cassada effect is just icing on the cake.
    In the last half year we’ve learned that our leaders don’t understand epidemiology, science in general, critical race theory, the economics of fiscal stimulus, the limits of their own power, and the the non-binary nature of human sexuality. They sure do understand politics, though.

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      Taxpayer #314 says:

      Well said!

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      Stuart I. Anderson says:

      There is abundant proof that the Chinese Flu often doesn’t even produce symptoms in people with a robust immune system like teen-agers and young adults and when it does those symptoms are most always mild and insignificant. Further, millions of that cohort have already had the Flu and have therefore built a natural immunity to the disease. So bottom line this frenzy to vaccinate, and indeed compulsorily vaccinate, the young is not undertaken because of “THE SCIENCE” but rather because of the age old quest of leftist for any excuse to exercise “COMMAND AND CONTROL.” Voters please save yourself and me from leftist control freaks by never giving them the reigns of power.

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        Cryan says:

        Bill Lee is a leftist? He is the one vaccinating children without parental consent.

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        MARLE says:

        A virus that circulates, mutates (spawns variants resistant to the original vaccine).

        Vaccines are at best only 90+% effective ON ALL PEOPLE, meaning that they are less so on the AGED who cost us plenty when they get this virus OR ITS VARIANTS. So the NON-vaccinated (who don’t have antibodies) are inevitably costing all of us unnecessarily.

        Get a vaccine or get yourself tested for antibodies. Either one helps hold down cost for those of us who actually pay a disproportional percentage of the cost.

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        Taxpayer #314 says:

        Nonsense!!

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    Stuart I. Anderson says:

    Did you pick up on that readers? “There’s a political subcurrent to the firings. Fiscus’ husband Brad, ran as an independent candidate against state Rep. Glen Casada [ACU-86%] (R-Franklin) in last year’s election finishing third.”

    In 2020 thanks in part to a small grant from the SIAECPCF Glen cruised to victory in District 63 with 60% of the votes without expending a great deal of effort campaigning. Such is the high esteem that the voters in Glen’s district have for him along with the ability to ignore the hyper-partisan hopelessly leftist media. Glen received 33,360 votes and Brad Fiscus received 4,494 or 8% of the votes.

    Obviously Michelle Fiscus was fired because of policy differences she had with various individuals democratically elected to state government for which she worked. We see the demented Big Guy do that sort of firing all the time as he places leftbots in position after position. Trying to weave Glen into this “happens all the time” story because of his alleged lingering resentment at Brad’s 8% of the vote and the fact that Casada is in tight with Lee thanks to the school voucher vote produces a tapestry the complex beauty of which any political columnist can justifiably be proud.

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      Cryan says:

      Why do you say such hateful things about Donald Trump but always defend Casada and Lee? Are they RINOs, too?

      Oh, have you sent your check to Ronna ROMNEY McDaniel and the RNC yet? She successfully ran several high profile members of the MAGA movement out of the party yesterday, most notably Constitutional Lawyer Jenna Ellis, after remarks disparaging Trump surfaced.

      Keep growing that tent, Minute Man.

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    James White says:

    From CPAC for #LeeTheTyrant:
    Begin quote: ““Let’s talk about rewriting history,” Noem said Sunday. “We’ve got Republican governors across this country pretending they didn’t shut down their states, that they didn’t close their beaches, that they didn’t mandate masks, that they didn’t need to issue shelter-in-places…. We need leaders with grit, that their first instinct is to make the right decision, that they don’t backtrack and then try to fool you into the fact that they never made the wrong decision.”

    Although Noem’s spokesman told the Daily Caller she “was not referring to any specific Republican governor,” few are buying that. Thanks to the public’s perception that they didn’t destroy their states in response to a virus, Noem and DeSantis are among the most popular GOP governors in the country, and both are rumored to be considering runs for the White House. It’s only natural that Noem would want to contrast herself with DeSantis by highlighting the supposed fact that she never heeded the siren song of lockdowns and mask mandates.” :End-quote

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      Stuart I. Anderson says:

      That “Lamar” Noem (Heritage-58%!!!!!) should have even been invited to CPAC is an outrage! Kristi is simply trying to distract from her capitulation to the extremist sexual eccentrics and their Chamber of Commerce enablers in vetoing legislation that the eccentrics didn’t like. The fact that she is in the same party as the great Ron DeSantis (Heritage-88%) much less having the nerve to obliquely criticize him shows exactly what’s wrong with today’s Republican Party.

      James it’s unthinkable that the Republican Party would nominate that physically attractive but worthless pol. If, however, it ever does I may join you in voting Constitution once again.

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        James White says:

        And she DID do lockdowns and masks mandates for about a month….

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          MARLE says:

          So your point is that Noem is a liar? That is a veritable requirement for a Trump devotee. Almost all of the Republican liars were invited to CPAC to strut their stuff.

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          Stuart I. Anderson says:

          Taxpayer, your silly leftist slogans and labels may cause other to be silent or to carefully mentally edit their language before they open their mouth or type but buddy, you’re addressing the wrong guy here. When an individual has political ambitions the fact of their physical attractiveness or homeliness translates into votes or lack of votes by the political low information voters who insist on voting.

          I so wish Taxpayer that you would find something more productive to do than enter your fantasy land and attempt to take others with you. Someone once said the left is simply engaged in a war against people even noticing, much less processing reality. Those who are not doctrinaire leftists, please don’t let them do that to you, EVER.

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            Taxpayer #314 says:

            Wow, apparently that hit home!

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            Stuart I. Anderson says:

            Absolutely Taxpayer! Your admonition to me as to how to express myself and how to think beautifully illustrates the fact that you are a man of the left who likes to COMMAND AND CONTROL others for no good reason other than unfortunately lesser men and women have let you and your merry band of authoritarians get away with it.

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            Cryan says:

            Stuart, you’re a MAGA LOVING TRUMP LOVER #Q. Right?

            Anyway, I thought Trump voters like you valued authoritarian leadership.

            #Q

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            Taxpayer #314 says:

            The fact that you have refuted your own argument is enough. You don’t seem to be “Controlled” to me. And I still fail to see how “When an individual has political ambitions the fact of their physical attractiveness or homeliness translates into votes or lack of votes by the political low information voters who insist on voting.” Are you referring to yourself with the reference to “political low information voters who insist on voting??”

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            MARLE says:

            So the man who constantly accuses me of micro-analyzing and calls me “madame no” in an attempt to mock what I say accuses someone else of attempting “command and control”.

            Logic is not your strong suit, Stuart.

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        Taxpayer #314 says:

        Why do you repeatedly add comments like stating that someone was “physically attractive”? It has nothing whatsoever to do with what you are discussing. It sounds creepy and it is simply a sexist comment, Stuart.

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      Stuart I. Anderson says:

      The SIAECPCF has a special sub-fund that has been accumulating money since 2016 ready to support the most conservative candidate for the Republican nomination for President that has a reasonable chance to get elected in the next seriously contested Republican presidential primary. The Kristi “Lamar” Noem reference and her reported Presidential ambitions gives me the opportunity to express my hope that other conservatives are accumulating funds for such a noble cause as well.

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    Karen Bracken says:

    A vaccine is not needed for this yearly flu they call COVID. HCQ and Ivermectin work. I know from personal experience and from reading the many studies and use of these drugs all over the world. The poor countries have used them and their death rates are extremely low. They are safe. They are cheap. BUT They also would not have made the CEOs of Pfizer and Moderna billionaires from the death of many people around the world. More people have died in 7 months from this one vaccine (9048 and that is only 1-13% of actual deaths reported to VAERS) than the total of all deaths from all vaccines over the past 31 years and that people is a darn FACT. You all better wake up and stop listening to the lies and propaganda. I believe we are going to see huge numbers of deaths when the next yearly flu hits and they will blame it on a fake variant instead of the real cause which is the vaccine. And now they want to vaccinate our babies?? Way too many people have economic gain from this scam and you need to start doing your own research.

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      MARLE says:

      If Ivermectin and HQC work why did Trump go into the hospital and agree to get the most expensive and inaccessible (to most people) and sophisticated cocktail of drugs at Walter Reed? Ditto that for Ben Carson who said he nearly died and probably would have if not for that cocktail.

      And why did Trump in the last months of his administration get a vaccine along with his Wife and sons?

      He is a blowhard, a liar, a narcissist but he is clearly one who Wants to LIVE and not interested in putting his life in the hands of quack medicine remedies.

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        Cryan says:

        And just for the record, Tucker, Laura, and Hannity are also fully vaccinated.

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          MARLE says:

          All those folks pay high income taxes and some portion of their money is being used to subsidize the financial consequences of the Anti-vaxxers. But the calculation they make is that their Ratings and their Bonuses rise to meet that loss IF they pander to the quacky right wing of the party (what they now lovingly call their Base).

          But for the rest of us who just see our tax dollars frittered away without the opportunity to capitalize on the nut jobs as they do…it is very frustrating.

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          Stuart I. Anderson says:

          MARLE I don’t watch or listen to Laura and Hannity, but the sainted Tucker Carlson (FOX News, 7 PM) is no an “anti-vaxxer” nor does he pander to them. His only plea is that taking the vaccine or not should remain an individual decision and government or institutional coercion should play no part in that decision. Scientifically based information from reliable sources YES, coercion NO. It is a plea for individual freedom and a push back against the control freaks who use ANYTHING, the Chinese Flu, global warming, etc. to satisfy their insatiable apatite for COMMAND AND CONTROL.

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            Cryan says:

            How do you feel about the Williamson County property tax INCREASE? Sounds like a RINO ghetto.

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            MARLE says:

            An individual decision that he knows from statistics means that a significant number of Red State adults will be helping the variants take hold (which put all vulnerable at increasing risk of Costing Me Money) and spread.

            Tucker doesn’t need to be an anti vaxxer as he well knows; he just has to pander to those that are. Straddling the fence is even more lucrative than taking a position in this case.

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            Stuart I. Anderson says:

            No MARLE, not straddling the fence at all. Tucker is 52 years-old and, of course, he’s vaccinated against the Chinese Flu and other diseases. He is only really questioning the need for vaccines for people who had the disease and the young who rarely get sick enough to require hospitalization. It is only, as you say, when there is a good chance that hospitalization is needed that this becomes an issue of societal concern. The old and the otherwise vulnerable should be vaccinated and when they are their chances of catching the disease and requiring hospitalization is so low as to not be a societal problem either.

            The rates of vaccination for the old and otherwise vulnerable are high, and our hospitals are not in anywhere near danger of being overwhelmed. Once again, the control freaks are threatening us with freedom depriving solutions in search of a problem.

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            Cryan says:

            62% of Tennesseans are unvaccinated. 99% of hospitalizations are unvaccinated. 80% of hospitalized are under 64. 50% are under 49.

            Tennessee just reported the highest number of new cases in the country.

            Let’s just see what happens to the hospitals over the next months.

            I guess if these Trump voters die off, it will solve your GQP unity problem, huh?

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            MARLE says:

            Those who are young enoughNOT TO GET REALLY SICK, Stuart are nonetheless providing a host for the virus to mutate and cause serious financial Disease and Cost to the vulnerable since no vaccine is 100%. This isn’t only about sickness; it’s about keeping a virus alive and mutating which Would NOT happen if everyone were vaccinated or had antibodies.

            Tucker is a ratings whore and you are a fool for not recognizing that what he says is simply to get ratings. Wake UP.

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            Stuart I. Anderson says:

            EVERYONE who appears on radio or TV is a “ratings whore” as you so poetically put it because it costs a lot of money to produce these shows and that money ultimately comes from advertisers who pay a lot of money to get their messages to the public. In exchange for those big bucks advertisers expect a lot of ears and eyeballs to be around to listen and watch and there’s great competition to acquire those ears and eyeballs. The only reason you single Tucker out as someone who will do almost anything just to get ratings is because I freely state he is my favorite commentator and you are the forum Madame NO! and you have a reputation to uphold.

            The trick in formulating public policy for conservatives who find government a necessary evil ready to increase its power at the cost of individual freedom is to find a way to restrain government power wherever possible. We will always have viruses with us and they will always be constantly mutating and as you said no vaccine is 100% effective. Granted the more people who get the vaccination the better and by all means government should get the word out about the efficacy of the vaccine but I am mildly opposed to government or institutions mandating people get any vaccine against the Chinese Flu. While this is not the most outrageous assault on freedom government can practice it is simply is an unnecessary assault on human liberty which government, especially the federal government, has no constitutional authority to mandate.

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      James White says:

      And out of the 9048 deaths, Those dying post-vaccine: Where are the autopsies?
      Why are they not telling us?
      And what if the RNA Vax is changing your DNA?

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        Cryan says:

        You know what changes your DNA? UV light, tobacco, radon, trans-fats, etc.

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        MARLE says:

        When I look at the raft of important people, rich people, powerful people who have taken this vaccine….if it does alter your DNA to their detriment then all this income inequality is going to be taken care of pretty quick. All the powerful, and their children will all become zombies with their brains eaten out~ or maybe robots commanded by Bill Gates who’s masterminded chips inserted in their arms.

        Anyway the anti-vaxxers shall inherit the earth…they and all the 3d world folks who haven’t been able to get the vaccine.

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          Stuart I. Anderson says:

          And finally the work of the SIAECPCF will be done because the Republican Party will have moved RIGHTWARD, RIGHTWARD, RESOLUTELY RIGHTWARD.

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            MARLE says:

            When the right nut wings and the Black poor (also high non-vaxxers) are all that’s left walking the earth in the post-vaccine zombie apocalypse of the rich and powerful…..then your mission will be accomplished?

            Yep that is what I thought your perverse idea of Rightward was but never imagined you’d admit it.

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            Cryan says:

            I think he’s interpreting your scenario backwards. He thinks the Republican Party will move rightward when the Trump voters he despises die off.

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          MARLE says:

          How shocking 🙂

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    Taxpayer #314 says:

    Stuart calls the right to infect others, his FREEDUMB!

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    Taxpayer #314 says:

    Today, news reports include the fun fact that Governor DeSantis in Florida has followed many other republicans in making money off of his political position as governor. He is selling merch that hails “Don’t Fauci My Florida.” I point this out because as he brings this to the market to advance his bank account, the State of Florida has just moved into first place in the country with new cases of the Covid virus. So, would you call that “Justice” or “Freedom”?? And this man wants to be considered for the job of president?

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      MARLE says:

      The cosmic joke here is that it was Trump who gave Fauci his near-daily platform, his microphone, his world-wide recognition AND called him “brilliant” as he introduced him at constant WH covid briefings.

      Hate Fauci (as I have from week 1)? Blame the man who launched himl

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        Eddie White says:

        Big time Trump dysfunction. This poster, who claims to be a conservative ( what a joke) can’t write a sentence without attacking Trump and the conservatives who support him. And he/she has plenty of leftist nut jobs on this blog to support him/her. I respect Bernie Sanders more than this hypocrite.

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        Stuart I. Anderson says:

        Indeed Eddie it’s a “she” and it’s Trump Derangement Syndrome which is another ill-effect Trump has had on the Republican Party. I am amazed at the emotions that man evokes both positively and negatively in people. Unfortunately there is so much to be done by conservatives to shape up the Republican Party by conservatives but instead Trump serves as an ongoing distraction.

        I think there’s a very good chance that he will decide as late as possible that he isn’t going to run again after all. In the meantime, let’s just hope he endorses the right candidates in the Republican Primaries as he has done in Alabama, North Carolina, and Alaska.

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    Taxpayer #314 says:

    Stuart argues above (& repeatedly) that the GOP is doing fine and there is no overall downward trend across the country or in individual states. I offer two cases today that are in the news and neither have anything to do with an arrest. 1. Republican Gov. Kevin Stitt of Oklahoma was booed off the stage yesterday by a large group of Native Americans at a public meeting where he referred to the local group standing up for their rights as “people from out-of-state.” Seems the local people don’t like to be ignored by the Republican overlords. 2. Tennessee own case splashing in the National news Headlines recently stating boldly: and I quote the headline: “Killing Kids to Own the Libs” Program of (R) Gov. Lee’s decision to terminate the vaccine program for ALL children in the state for All vaccines, not just Covid. Even in an overwhelming RED State you see and hear a lot backlash to that. Do you contend Stuart, that these approaches to helping the general public and your Republican leaning supporters are shining examples that will help these states remain in the red column? We see this every day and that is why I call this a (R) national trend, regardless of how many (R) are in power positions at the moment in TN.

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      Stuart I. Anderson says:

      Oh the time you waste on nothingburgers Taxpayer. To think of a man who has nothing better to do than scour the news for items unfavorable to Republicans in this nation of 330 million people and excitedly bring them to our attention as proof positive of the coming doom of the party boggles my imagination.

      No question about it, Republican officeholders will probably lose the votes of members of the grievance industry, American Indian grievancers being a good example thereof. Gov. Lee has a 65% approval rating. He will be our Governor for the next 5 years. The Republicans will have a Super Majority in the General Assembly at least until 2024 and a majority for as far as the eye can see. The Republicans will probably gain control of the U.S. House and put an end to the demented Big Guy’s advisors orchestrated nightmare we are living through. Now if you will excuse me Taxpayer I have the SIAECPCF to manage and the 3 1/2 Lamars Retirement Project to pursue. These are the things that really matter.

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        MARLE says:

        It’s an astounding waste of time for Taxpayer to scourer negative news items but not a waste to watch Tucker Carlson for an hr each night and bring us one-sided OPINIONS from both him and from heritage email updates.

        Talk about micro-analyzing….how one spends time and of what relative value it is to us here on this forum is the ultimate micro analysis. Glass houses, Stuart.

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        Taxpayer #314 says:

        One does not need to “scour” the news to find the depths that Republicans will go to to try to subvert the voting process or privacy rights, it is the first thing that pops up every day and evening on just about any news channel, except Fox. Keep dreaming, buddy.

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    Taxpayer #314 says:

    The Washington Post headline today is “Republicans are Dismantling the Right to Vote but they’ve Enshrined the Right to Infect.” So Stuart, my question would be just who is trying to “Control and Command?” You need more examples?

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      Stuart I. Anderson says:

      “Dismantling the Right to Vote” by requiring proper identification is such a moronic charge that it is rejected by an overwhelming majority of people in all demographic groups. I only hope that the Democrats continue to insult the intelligence of the American people by things like that speech the demented Big Guy gave comparing the requirement for voter IDs with the War Between the States. That issue, defunding the police. . .keep it up Democrats and you will soon see how few members of the grievance industry there are. Don’t be blue Taxpayer, Democrats are so experienced at voter fraud and cheating that surely they will find a way to cheat in our big cities even with real voter IDs

      Again, it becomes a matter of public concern when death tolls rise and/or hospitals are in danger of becoming overwhelmed, not when people get a touch of he flu or are asymptomatic with the Chinese Flu. Shutting down the economy and impoverishing millions and ultimately the country using people being diagnosed with the flu as an excuse, that is the stuff to run chills up and down a leftist control freak’s leg.

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        James White says:

        SIA, excellent

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        Taxpayer #314 says:

        “Requiring correct identification” has nothing to do with these voter restriction laws Stuart and further, you and every other (R) know it. Some states have come right out and said so publicly. These sudden changes to so many states only happened as a RESPONSE to trump and the (R) party LOOSING THE LAST ELECTION. The (R) dirty trick of gerrymandering was not enough to tip the balance so (R) are going after other dirty tricks to turn this next election in their favor. The (R) party is out of control and has no other choice but to lie like mad to cover the BIG LIE. People see through this type of bold lies but you will find out eventually.
        You misjudge the entire public discussion/debate and you wind up mislabeling it “defund the police.” It has nothing to do with defunding the police. It is about changing the focus of our police forces. You just love to spin these stories as you see fit but you twist the truth 180 degrees.

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    Stuart I. Anderson says:

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    In happier and important news the Alaskan Republican Party’s State Committee has voted 58 to 17 to endorse Kelly Tshibaka over the absolutely wretched Lisa “Lamar” Murkowski (Heritage-41%). Unfortunately Alaska has adopted rank choice voting and an open primary so Democrats will be able to vote for Murkowski and save her from almost certain defeat under a saner system that would have Republicans choosing the Republican nominee – sort of reminds you of another state way to Alaska’s southeast doesn’t it?

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      Stuart I. Anderson says:

      Further, a Democratic polling firm finds 59% of Alaska’s voters have an unfavorable view of Murkowski while only 26% have a favorable view. Lisa is far worse than any of the retiring Senators in the 3 1/2 Lamars Retirement Project but Tshibaka is an unknown quantity as a former Alaska Dept of Admnistration Commissioner so this race doesn’t rise to the level of importance of the races in the Project though getting rid of that horrid Murkowski would be soooooooo sweet.

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        Cryan says:

        ⬆️ A yankee transplant trying to convince native Tennesseans to send their money out of state.

        How about Tennessee First? Let’s get rid of RINO Lee. Alaska can deal with their own problems.

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        Eddie White says:

        She voted to impeach President Trump. That is enough to dump her sorry butt.

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    James White says:

    You: Are you going to get vaccinated?
    Me: I think I am going to wait a bit longer.
    You: What do you mean to wait?
    Me: I am just not in a rush to get it. Have you had it?
    You: Yes, I had it. Why are you being so selfish?
    Me: How am I being selfish?
    You: Because if you get Covid, you can pass it on to me.
    Me: But you’ve been vaccinated.
    You: Yeah, but I can still get it.
    Me: So, if I get vaccinated, I can still get it too?
    You: Yeah but you should still get it, cause then you won’t pass it on to me.
    Me: But if I get vaccinated I can still get it and can pass it on to you?
    You: Well yeah, but you should still get it.
    Me: But you can catch it off me whether I’ve been vaccinated or not.
    You: Yeah, but you should still get vaccinated.
    Me: But why?
    You: Because it is the right thing to do.
    Me: Who says?
    You: The people that make it.

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      MARLE says:

      One more time….the reason you get the vaccine IF you haven’t developed antibodies from having Covid is that the VIRUS MUTATES WHEN IT CIRCULATES.

      The current vaccine is effective against the Current crop of mutations. As the virus Circulates and therefore MUTATES the current vaccine will need boosters and we simply don’t know how effective boosters will be on new variants.

      So ALL of us can continue an endless cycle of booster BECAUSE some refuse to get vaccinated.

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      MARLE says:

      No where in that idiotic dialogue you had with yourself did you seem to understand the issue of mutation and the Risk to the vulnerable that mutations have OR the incredible Cost of this virus being a continued presence OR the effect all of this is having on the economy.

      We could short circuit this whole thing with those who don’t currently have antibodies Get Vaccinated.

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      Cryan says:

      Shouldn’t you be getting ready for Trump’s inauguration in August?

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      Taxpayer #314 says:

      James how long have you been having these conversations with yourself. At least you win the argument. You might want to see a doctor sometime soon.

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    Taxpayer #314 says:

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    Yes, just dodge the question like you normally do. That’s OK it is a tactic the (R) use over and over – quick, look over there. Only a true conservative would claim that taking down the only (R) to vote her conscience against the mighty trumpster would qualify as “happier and important news.” The whole idea of these crazy scores you cling to is a leap towards “Command and Control” for the (R). You never seem to see these obvious shortfalls of the arguments you make, but the general public does!

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    Eddie White says:

    She voted to impeach President Trump. That is enough to dump her sorry butt.

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    Cryan says:

    It’s 8:00 PM. Do you know where Stuart I Anderson is?

    He thinks he’s getting ready to blow our minds regurgitating whatever nonsense Tucker said tonight.

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